Blogs

Showboating MP’s & Bitter Debate

|
Image for Showboating MP’s & Bitter Debate

The final installment of Martin Cloake‘s views on the whole Stratford debate.

Another thank you to Martin for letting us hack his work up and so give us a great catalyst for debate.

One of the problems with the opposition to the Stratford proposals is the high profile of David Lammy. He never seemed particularly interested in Spurs before, but now he’s the champion of the ordinary fan. And his interventions come across as grandstanding.

There’s also the fact that he is attempting to pin much of the ‘blame’ for Tottenham’s interest in Stratford on Boris Johnson.

I’m no more a fan of Johnson than I am of Lammy, but the fact that Lammy is managing the Mayoral campaign of Johnson’s rival Ken Livingstone does make you think. There are many people people playing a game within a game here.

While it’s not clear whether Spurs ever asked for the public assistance Lammy says they should have, it’s also not at all clear that Lammy has done much constructively to address the real concerns Spurs have about their relationship with Haringey.

I was initially critical of what seemed to be Spurs’ insistance that a lot of public funds be used to support their private company. But the pendulum seems to have swung now. I’d have more time for Lammy if he told us clearly what constructive proposals he’s put forward to broker a deal that would keep Tottenham in Tottenham.

You can claim an ADDITIONAL 20% HH discount on any Vision books by entering the promotional code ’1882?!


Some of the arguments the club and people seeking to its case have used are simply daft and a little insulting. I’ll say again that I think there’s a lot of tosh talked about ‘community’ by the anti-Stratford campaigners, but Spurs have matched them.

The club said that Stratford “is only five miles east”. Anyone who knows anything about London knows that even a mile makes a huge difference in this big and complex city in which the concepts of manor and loyalty are deeply entrenched.

Architect David Keirle, who it looks like may have been put up as a lightning conductor in this whole debate, said that no one wanted to move from Maine Road to the City of Manchester stadium when he was involved with that, but now no one would move back.

David, if you take a look at a map you’ll see both stadiums are in Manchester. Which may explain things. There’s more than a hint of ‘we’ll do it and the mugs will come’ about some of the views put forward – although to be honest us fans don’t help ourselves with our often illogical loyalty.

The daft arguments aren’t confined to one side, though. There’s a lot of jumping up and down about how knocking the stadium down would be a waste of taxpayers money. But even if West Ham get the stadium, much of it will be torn down and public money will be used to help the club convert it for its purposes. It’s that fact which may well swing the decision for Spurs in these austere – at least for those of us who don’t work in the banks – financial times.

I set out the position my heart takes at the start of this piece.

But I recognise – God I’m getting old – that the head must play its part too. If it is true that it would damage the club financially to stay in Tottenham, and that case is far from proven, then I’d regretfully accept the necessity to move. I’d probably go to Stratford to watch the team, but I don’t think it would be the same. But when we talk about value and investment and return, what is meant? What makes financial sense for, let’s say, an investment company looking to sell to a major player in the entertainments market, may not make the same sense in the longer term for a football team.

Tottenham’s owners are an investment company and investment companies seek a return on their investment. Spurs existed a long time before ENIC came, and will – let’s hope – exist for a long time after they go.

The interests of the owners and the club are not always the same, although Tottenham’s board members get very annoyed if you point that fact out. It’s that potential difference of interest that sits at the heart of this, and which explains why the debate is getting bitter. Because it’s possible that ENIC and Joe Lewis could make a nice return on their investment while leaving behind a franchise with an increasingly tenous link to its history and which is just one arm of a global entertainment business.

To me, all the indications are that Spurs will go to Stratford if they possibly can. I am far from convinced that is the right decision, or that the decision has been made in the interests of the club rather than the club’s owners. I’ve already seen the heart of the home support ripped out in the 1980s when executive boxes replaced one of the finest popular terraces in the country. I’ve watched the club drift under the awful leadership of Alan Sugar.

And now I should be enjoying some of the finest football I’ve ever seen my club play. But, and there’s always a but with Tottenham, there is a shadow hanging over us, the shadow of Franchise Hotspur in Stratford, the global entertainment channel.

I’m prepared, still, to be convinced. But right now, I’m not.

Click the image below to launch the Holly Weber gallery


Share this article

126 comments

  • lecoqhardi says:

    If you’re worried about the name ‘Stratford Hotspur’ you could ease the pain at Ladbroke’s. They were offering 16 to 1 that it will be our new name.
    Although, if they’re giving those odds, it probably means it ain’t gonna happen.

  • OneDannyThomas says:

    AEG Stadium, Olympic Park, London, May 2017.
    It’s a bright spring day and the penultimate match of an incredible season. The destination of the Premier League trophy is still undecided as Stephen Caulker leads out his young Spurs side, knowing that a victory over their traditional North London rivals will be enough to secure the title and the first leg of an historic double. What a season it has been for Tottenham Hotspur, as their traditional brand of attractive, flowing football has created high drama and won friends all over the world.
    The atmosphere inside the incredible theatre is electric.
    I have spare tickets for the game – I will sell them to you at face value – will you go and get behind YOUR team or will this be selling out to the franchise?
    It’s about the glory. It’s about doing things in style and with a flourish , about going out and creating a proper stadium in an accessible venue not waiting to die of boredom while watching a 10,000m race or West Ham.

  • 39 39 39 says:

    Sit tight,
    Forget about redev,
    build victoria line to include final station called SPURS.
    Stay in top 4,
    Steadily make money by staying in champs league,
    Win champs cup,

    Stop chasing rainbows
    Let the team do the talking, not IOC or Council, or developers, architects and speculators.

    Why worry Danny, take a holiday from all this speculative entanglement,
    I for one can only see trouble ahead with all this,we seem to be doing alright :unsure: and soon we will have a cute retro stadium every spurs supporter in the world will want to make a pilgrimage to. :ninja:

    • lecoqhardi says:

      Can just see one tiny flaw in all that: stay in top four with a 36 000 stadium, giving a huge advantage to our rivals. I’m enjoying a season when our ambition isn’t a decent run in the League Cup, and I’d like it to stay like that, please.

    • Fatfish says:

      The other problem is building a new station on the Victoria line. The costs would run into billions.

    • Astromesmo says:

      I think the Roy of the Rovers days are sadly disappearing fast and even though the current economic blizzard has slowed things down, I’d rather we weren’t the ‘plucky overachievers’ forever.

      I do however think that we have to be careful what we wish for. I dipped a toe in one of the Manure chat rooms the other day and it’s like trying to have a conversation in a transport cafe in the middle of Shanghai Airport.

      Every second post alternated between pretend Mancs and kids in Seoul going ‘Yay Reds… Be The Reds!’

      Bewildered, moi?
      :dizzy2:

  • AFelching says:

    Lets stick to footy :silly:

  • @John White “the vast difference in the cost of funding, which makes the Stadium project in N17, completely unviable and threatens the very existence of the Club” That’s a rather large assertion. It may well be true. Like the club, you need to provide some facts. I can see how the argument might stack up, and am prepared to be convinced despite my heart wanting to stay in N17.

    But at the moment, the arguments seem more than a little phoney. The project was viable six months ago. If a cheaper option is now available, the club should say that, not hide behind all this other stuff. There’s also the not insignificant question of what happens in terms of income while we wait even longer to move to a new stadium than we would if we went with the NDP. That really could threaten the future of the club.

    • Astromesmo says:

      *Doff’s cap*

      For comments, writing & general personage. Good work old chap.

      Some truth in all of this chicanery, bandstanding, vested interesting and downright backhanded buffoonery would be most welcome.

Leave a comment

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *