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Is it Redschnapps …Or The Players???

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I’m not alone in always having loved the eclectic mix of contributors to this blog. I am after all merely the the first bloke to daub its walls. The best stuff for me has always lay beneath the line.

The last result of the fearless Tottinghams reheated a few chestnuts that if real, the vendor really ought have binned ’em long before then.

SpurredoninDublin raised some very, very good points in some of his recent comments and this is an exercise in debate rather than attempt to brainwash those unconvinced. And so a not inconsiderable ‘thank you’ for this evening’s sermon.

So has Arry run his course? Can you, yes you my highly distinguished reader actually  separate the manager’s failings from the player’s with a cigarette paper?

What I’ve done is C&P a few extracts, added my own thoughts to form a conversation of sorts that some of you might like to add to. No wrongs or rights, just talking…

SpurredoninDublin: Defoe is beginning to make Keane look good, and Pav after three years, has still never been given a run in the team. The January window didn’t produce any improvements, which when you look at the prices that were being paid, was hardly surprising. Look at the England Squad. When players like Nolan can get a game, then you know how poor the quality of strikers are in general.

HH : Do we then sack everyone and ship in at least 2 superstars? Because we simply cannot/will not pay the wages.

SpurredoninDublin: If you then look at our resource base, 12th largest ground in the 4 divisions, and there are approximately 100 teams in Europe that have bigger grounds than ours. Two of the clubs above us at present have “money no object sugar daddies”, and we have the smallest ground of the top seven in the league based on today’s table.

HH: One issue then appears to be we have bought cheap and therefore need to buy twice…

SpurredoninDublin: The injuries to the defenders (and an adequate explanation for Gomes), six different CB’s, three different RB’s and the only one that has remained more or less injury free, tears his hamstring in the game following the best performance by a LB that we have seen in years.

The injuries to the defenders (and an adequate explanation for Gomes), six different CB’s, three different RB’s and the only one that has remained more or less injury free, tears his hamstring in the game following the best performance by a LB that we have seen in years.

HH: I firmly believe that there is not a good goal keeper anywhere in the world stood behind a conveyor belt of defenders.

SpurredoninDublin:The manager: It’s amazing how many of us claim to know his mind. Unfortunately I lack that talent so all I will say, was that when he took over, most of us were expecting relegation. If you had told us when he took over, that we were going to 8th 4th and then 5th or 6th, we would have asked who your dealer was, because that is some powerful sh*t you must be consuming.

HH: I think the stat’s speak for themselves, but many of our fans speak for their expectations.

SpurredoninDublin:I am not happy with where we are at the moment, but on paper we are middleweights fighting super-heavies in terms of resources. Since the star of the PL, only one team smaller than us has won the PL, and they had a sugar daddy.

So this week, the villain was HR, a few days ago, it was Gomes, and before that Crouch. Next week it will probably be someone else. A few weeks ago, it was DL for not buying anyone, unless of course you are on the HR haters, in which case it was HR’s fault for not telling DL who to buy.

HH: ‘Everybody Or At Least Somebody Out!’ Syndrome.

SpurredoninDublin:There is nothing wrong with having high expectations, but these should be tempered with a reality check which says that on paper, we might occasionally win a cup, and every couple of years qualify for the EL, and maybe make the last eight now and again. Anything other than that should not be expected as a right.

In most previous years, the “Sky 4? had more or less guaranteed their places in the CL by Mid-March, but the last couple of seasons, we have competed all the way.

So there’s the start point. From what I hope two pretty decent perspectives.

Talk to me…

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103 comments

  • AFelching says:

    VDV should be sold

  • lecoqhardi says:

    We can’t/won’t pay the wages of top top strikers.
    We’re doomed.
    Spurs finishing position over the next 5 years: 6th, 6th, 6th, 6th, 6th.
    After that, I’m less optimistic.

  • Spursallmylife says:

    Please please when do we stop saying where we were when he took over it doesnt matter a jot.
    The summer went by Harry and Daniel on holiday feeling really pleased with themselves for what they had done and rightly so.
    Did they get carried away thinking they were better than we are ,did they get caught in the hype. This with us up against money no object teams and the old guard. If you have no money as such sell the dross you don’t want, he new that Pav,keene,Bentley and crouch were going to be surplus. I make these alone £35 million. He new Gomes was big risk needing cover cudicini not convincing. He new we needed an out an out striker to play in front of 5 man midfield for Europe and bigger teams. These are the mistakes that have cost so dear. We may never again aspire to the CL with the likes of Bale and Modric heads being turned to the money clubs earning more than up to 4 times the wages. Loyalty is one thing common sense is another as a footballer you never no when that bad injury is coming.
    Fourth last year not this out early both FA and League Cup had run in Europe progressed noooo!
    Thanks for the Dream the only thing we Spurs fans have.

  • kaiskama says:

    If we finish 5th, is the club obliged to enter the Europey Lg or can they decline and the 6th placed club invited to enter instead ??

    • Mr_Spiggott says:

      We can decline but according to eufa rulings we then have to enter the St Johnstone matchpot paint trophy.

      It’s written down somewhere where I can’t be bothered to look.

    • SpurredoninDublin says:

      I know where you are coming from, but I can’t see DL declining on this, even if they could. The prize/gate/TV money would be about £5-8 mill for the group stages.

      I recall the last time we were in the EL, HR fielded weakened teams in order to save our best players for the fight against relegation. We could try to treat it as a European version of the Carling Cup.

      The one good thing about this comp is that it gives us ranking points, so in the event that we qualify for the CL again in the near future, it improves our seeding. If we were out of Europe for several years, our ranking points could be so low, that we might end up as seeded in group 4.

      • SpurredoninDublin says:

        Just thinking about pissing off UEFA anyone remember when we were compelled to play in the Intertoto Cup. We responded by fielding weakened teams and UEFA were threatening sanctions. They later made this comp optional. Our run in this comp didn’t last very long and we were beaten 8-0 by Cologne, which is still a record for our biggest ever defeat.

        I have a vague recollection that HR won it when he was at Wet Sham. The prize for winning is a UEFA EL place. Who says HR hasn’t got a winning pedigree? Oh! Did I forget to mention that for some bizarre reason, in the days when HR won it, there were always three winners?

  • Jol 5:5 says:

    So, it’s ‘Arry and Baler to Chelski.
    Then Taraabt comes back with that nice Mr. Warnock – bet we’ll at least have a defence then!!
    ‘Arry’s team talks must have a common start this weather “now, after we go one down in the first ten minutes…..”
    How come Hodgson felt confident enough to take off defender Scharner and bring on attacker Cox?
    really feeling sore about those 2 points.

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