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I’ve just been listening to Talksport, specifically an interview with David Baddiell and his brother, Ivor.

They’ve just made a short film.

“The film is not intended to censor football fans,” said David. “It’s simply to raise awareness that the y-word is – and has been for many, many years – a race hate word. It’s our belief that some football fans may not even realise this, and the film is designed therefore to inform and raise debate.”

Really. I’m always genuinely fascinated by those who completely unsolicited wake up one morning and decide today is the day they are going to ‘inform’ me.

David and Ivor have been season ticket holders at Second Hand Fridge for over 30 years. But apparently one home game against Tottingham Hotspur was just too much for them to bear.

Spurs fans were chanting Yiddo and Yid Army as per, when a rather angry gentleman seated behind the Baddiel brothers decided to take exception to the chants and began shouting back, ‘____ off Yids!’, ‘________ Yids!’ and eventually, ‘____ off Jews!’

This inspired the quite rightly upset pair to complain to Bruce Buck and basically anyone else who would listen.

I have to say I find this initiative and the film extraordinary. Here we have have two Jews (but you don’t have to be Jewish to be upset by bigotry) complaining quite rightly about some troglodyte behind them who was in fact behaving illegally and in a public place.

But this initiative wishes to on the sly, also police and remove from usage one of the central words in Tottenham’s best known chants and it’s variations.

Now I fall neatly into the category of folk who do not feel that the use of the word ‘Yid’ or it’s variants is remotely offensive. It is always sung in a positive, bonding style aimed within the tribe and not at those outside the tribe.

We praise with it, ‘Jermain Defoe, he’s a Yiddo!’, we bond, ‘Yid Army’, we scent our territory at home games with the slow thumps of the stand and a deep, guttural ‘Yids.’

And so, right on cue the comparison to the ‘N’ word comes in. You know, the one that rhymes with ‘digger’.

This is an example commonly wheeled out by those upset by the use of  Yid. It’s a card played heavily in the Baddiel video. The assumption is made that as people of coloured race have supposedly ‘reclaimed’ the ‘N’ word as the Jews have reclaimed the word Yid. The Jews – The Spurs faithful.

I’m struggling to be honest. Really having a bit of bother working out who’s who here.

Baddiel said on the radio that only 5% of Spurs fans are actually Jewish. Where he actually got this statistic from I do not know, but let’s not dispute it. So by his figure that’s 95% of Spurs fans who have no legitimate connection to Judaism other than enjoyment of the occasional bagel.

How then does the reclaiming of a word that you have no obvious link to make any sense? I am a whitey. If I was to wander around the place referring to myself or my friends of any colour as the ‘N’ word, I would be regarded as an idiot.

The inarguable connection between the ‘N’ word is with people of coloured race and specifically in a nasty, demeaning way… So what does this word, bandied about by largely non Jews actually mean?

The word ‘Yid’ to has it’s modern roots in slang, but it’s actual entomology from Middle High German word,  ‘Jüdisch’ which gave us obviously the German ‘Jude’ and naturally… ‘Yiddish.’  The word Yid’s usage in Yiddish is without any offensive connotation.

As a term of racism it’s an anachronism. Alf Garnet bemoaning ‘bleedin’ Yids’ may make some politically correct loons feel uncomfortable, but not me. It was slang for referring to Jews but I’m struggling to see how offense can be really taken taken. On the Richter Scale of Nasty Words, the ‘N’ word has got to be a 9 and ‘Yid’ maybe a just be 3 if said really aggressively and then combined with lots of other nasty words.

This campaign is fundamentally dishonest.

One thing in life that sends me potty is the failure of people to acknowledge consequences. Now, there has to be parameters to this. You cannot say that someone being fat is a just provocation to run up to them in the street and start shouting, ‘Fatty!’ at them. That’s not on.

But if some one is sat next to you on the train endlessly screaming into their mobile phone and you politely ask them to finish the call somewhere else, that’s not you being rude, or intrusive, it’s you responding reasonably to provocation.

This campaign is so dishonest I’m staggered it’s got this far.

The troglodyte behind the Baddiels and indeed the mindless thugs on the film singing ‘Spurs Are On Their Way To Auschwitz’ are simply subhuman scum incapable of controlling themselves – some at the very thought of  Spurs even existing as a football club.

These idiots hear the word ‘Yid’ and feel the overwhelming urge to start making references to gas ovens, concentration camps and Nazi salutes. What the hell has that got to do with us?

The logical conclusion to Baddiel’s argument is that Sikhs ought to remove their turbans at Second Hand Fridge lest the mere sight of their unbelievably provocative head wear sends home fans into an uncontrollable  rage.

Trying to masquerade this as somehow ‘our’ problem is simply dishonest. If Spurs fans were pointing and shouting, ‘Yiddo!’ in a mocking manner at people they believe to be Jewish then fine, but that is not what’s happening here. The clips on the Baddiel’s film  showing the scumbags singing about Auschwitz etc are not clearly signed that they depict football fans who do not support Tottenham.

Instead we have Gary Lineker revealing to us that the atrocities of the Third Reich were a bad thing. Gary, why don’t you hurl yourself into a vat of boiling crisp fat and give us plebs your take on what that was like, you patronising plinth?

I tell you what, David & Ivor. Stop trying to drag us into sewer you share with bigots and perhaps opt instead to take your weaseling, pseudo middle class campaign and shove it up your bottoms?

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  • Mdmdehotspur says:

    As the round-faced, skinnysome Jimmy Carr has pointed out repeatedly to his detractors and many times at our dinner parties dear Harry…

    “Offence isn’t given, it’s taken.”

    (And Tottenham certainly lack much by the way of offensiveness at present).

  • LosLorenzo says:

    Let’s examine what racism means. According to wikipedia (clearly the most reliable source on all matters ;-) ):

    “Racism is the belief that the genetic factors that constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race”

    When I bellow out “Yid Army”, I am not subtly implying any inferiority of Jews or anyone else (as I mentioned earlier, the context doesn’t even have anything to do with Jews). So I am, by definition, not being racist.

    What some idiot Chelsea fan says thereafter, or how some other Chelsea fan feels about it as a result, is not my problem at all. Just because an individual is offended, does not make me a racist.

    How this is twisted around to be the fault of the Spurs fans is quite beyond me. There is one racist in this equation. The d*ckhead idiot sitting behind David. That is not the fault of Spurs fans, nor their responsibility (other than in the ubiquitous sense in which it is a universal responsibility of all citizens). Remove him and we get to keep our chants, and the Baddiell’s sensibilities go unchallenged.

    In the name of full disclosure I must mention that I am in fact a huge racist against lawyers and airport staff.

  • onedavemackay says:

    Many years ago a much smarter bloke than me said “you can not understand what it is to be black unless you are black.” By the same token it is not easy for gentiles to understand why Jews may find the word Yid offensive. Let me assure you most Jews are offended by the word.

    As a Spurs supporting Jew I have come to accept the use of the word Yid to describe all Spurs supporters and whilst I still don’t feel comfortable with the term I appreciate it became a statement of tribal association. However, David and Ivor Baddiel make a valid point which has caused me to think again. By making the term Yid more acceptable we Spurs supporters have unwittingly made it’s use as a derogatory term more acceptable and that my friends is unacceptable.

    Having said that I can not see Spurs fans dropping the term without a massive campaign by the club but I will never use the term again.

    • astromesmo says:

      …But by that logic (And I agree with all you’ve said) if I said that using the word Gay positively promoted Homophobia, should we then ban the word Gay? Just playing devils advocate a bit as the examples are, I admit slightly different. Your point about not knowing what it’s like to be black etc. is a very powerful argument though.

      I think there are bigger issues in society with this one though and simply ‘lumping’ it all on us, which the Kick it Out campaign are effectively trying to do is slightly taking the cads way out.

      We seem to have been the poster ‘whipping boys’ for anti racism campaigns over the last few years and while the majority of that has been down to the stupidity of many in our midst, there has been a huge imbalance over the way we have been treated (Police, custodial sentences etc.), compared to say the way the Spanish or Russian footballing authorities have been treated by UEFA (Fines of a few hundred Euro).

  • astromesmo says:

    The timing of this as the idiot Baddiel is about to release an attempt at a Jewish/Muslim juxtaposition ‘comedy’ (And I use the term loosely) is, shall we say… Convenient? Would I be so cynical as to say calculated? Noooo, not me, I’m way to generous for that.

    As for Lord Ouseley, the rather dim-witted exploits of some of our number over the ex no.23 & Adebay-whatshisface songs have pretty much made us public enemy no.1 in his eyes… So the approach of Chelsea fan & part time outraged middle Englander Baddiel must have been manna from heaven.

    I hear the sound of a publicly funded campaign being played like a fiddle.

  • astromesmo says:

    HH, given the subject matter, you may have to switch moderation off or you’re going to have a busy night! The debate will naturally involve words which I think the system seems to be flagging!?

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