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Good morning.

So, Rafa off to Hamburg SV they say.

Well, they rehash. Looking at the source article in De Telegraaf it seems more a case of Frank Arnesen tapping up/ making a public plea to his employer to rustle up the required readies.

Is the deal as close as The Daily Mail suggest? Mmmn. I’d say to claim this is at best ambitious. De Telegraaf says that Rafa ‘will almost certainly return to his former club HSV’. But then follows this up by adding, ‘only an agreement between Tottenham Hotspur and HSV is standing in Hamburg’s way.’ This is like me declaring I’m going to be the world’s best saxophone player. And all I need to do is buy a saxophone. And then learn to play it.

Arnesen is quoted as saying he wouldn’t rule out the move. It might be a last minute deal. Well maybe we’re beginning to touch on the truth here.  De Telegraaf seem to believe that a gap in the two parties evalution of the player is the root of the problem. Spurs want £11M and the Germans only want to pay £9.5M.

There are other factors at play that neither the De Telegraaf of The Daily Mail consider. HSV are not in a happy place. They narrowly avoided relegation last season. Does Rafa really want to undertake an uphill challenge at this stage of his career? And the other element in the equation is what does Mrs van Der Vaart want to him do?

Hey, just think. if we were to flog him, we could use the cash to put in a cheeky hi-jiack bid for Wolve’s Matt Jarvis.

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  • Ronnie Wolman says:

    All Other Clubs outside North London including QPR buy players and then figure out the books

    In North London and including the Woolwich Nomoolahs
    its about balancing the books and then buying players

    The problem is for every Portsmouth and Leeds there are many glorious clubs

    Now thats been said,and certainly with respect to Levy,we talk about Rafa.

    Rafa is a game changer for 5 minutes but often does in 5 minutes what stamina laden players cant do for 95 minutes and that is win a game.
    With saying that there are two problems with Rafa.
    (plus the issue of dosh)

    1. It will be difficult to keep up with AVB’s brand of footie

    2. AVB will not stand for any player who throws a tantrum

    AVB may or maybe not a genius but retro rennaisance men will not have a chance under AVB.
    He is of the new world where men (and women) dont use computers.Computers use them.Its all about the corporation and how you fit in to the system.Not about individual brilliance.
    If AVB’s system is bigger than an individual player then the system will win out.

    You add to that the fact that teh financial side of the corporation has to balance and you get a man we paid 8 mil for making something of a profit which would go towards a new striker and a new midfielder after you add in the other monies that are coming in.

    It was inevitable.

    Rafa is good for 5 minutes.
    If he could handle being what he is,a star for 5 minutes Im sure a place can be founbd because he can change a game quickly.But he cant do that.

    Gone.

    • Clarkspur says:

      Ronnie – you’re right about the system analogy. It’s the way football has gone with the adoration (and success) of Spain and Barca. It’s also a leveller, where assembling the right team can be done by grooming talent (Barca) rather than just being stupid rich and buying it in (Real).

      Specifically on VdV though, I would add his injury/fitness problems into the equation. If Rafa had been injury free during his Real time, they would never have sold him. We are experiencing the same quandry – keep a talent who cannot be relied on due to injuries, or sell him now and re-invest while he still has value.

  • BrizzleSpur says:

    I’d like him to stay. And I personally think we need him. Even IF we bring in the desired players that we dream about.
    He’s one of those players with a touch of class and a lot of experience to boot.

    • Stu Barney says:

      Agree with your sentiments but he will not be happy to sit on the bench, we have seen his antics when is subbed. I agree with LLL’s comments above, but only sell him if we have a replacement who is better.

      • BrizzleSpur says:

        I understand what you mean. He is outspoken and easily insulted when subbed/dropped.
        But this is where some form of man-management comes into play.

        If we want big players we need to be able to manage them off the pitch as well as on.
        Maybe I am in danger of being idealistic, but I’m sure the likes of citeh and manure cope with benching some great talent for the good of the team. We need to find a way of doing this without paying silly wages.

        • LLL says:

          He couldn’t handle the bench at Madrid, and recently kicked up a public stink at the Euro’s when he was benched. In other words, he surely feels he is way above sitting on the bench at Spurs.

          Harry managed him by giving him his way all the time and letting him get away with shenanigans few others would have. I think that was pretty poor man management really, a teachers pet scenario. But I also thinks it probably shows he isn’t one to be man-managed very easily.

          For instance, I think he would probably welcome going to Hamburg, which is really a step down, if it means he will be top dog in the area again. Same as he welcomed coming to Spurs from Madrid and being the queso-grande here.

        • Clarkspur says:

          Briz – the phenomenon you have described is called being Dutch. It’s why they frequently implode at any major tournament. They might be liberal with their wacky backy and rippers, but don’t go challenging their egos.

          Sorry to generalise too, no offence to those from the Netherlands. With Dutch family on my Mums side I’ve grown up experiencing how great they are but not without some easy-to-stereotype personality quirks!

      • Skinned says:

        A lesson in Apples

        Ex pats and nomadic non
        speakers of the lingo will
        understand how the lack
        of conversation enables one
        to observe far more than they ought to,
        certainly far more than you’ve been
        taught to.. You learn a thing or two about
        a thing or two for there’s plenty to
        accrue once you turn off the white noise,
        eliminate the babble and tune out that which
        floats above and beyond the lingual palate.. And not
        back there either, not in the West,
        not in your Amsterdams, your Rotterdams
        with melting pots and microdots, too many
        eyes glazing the fifty euro money shot
        and psychoanylysing the greenery, it’s made
        them the whole in the big city scenery..
        Instead of being out casts they’re now
        part of the machinery, fucking hard in the red lit
        engine room and puffing out the residue, nothing
        shady, nothing seedy at least not like it used
        to be and all part of the same old same and lacking
        in shame so the natives are left with just someone
        to blame… Even though in the grand scheme of
        the great pipe dream they fueled it,
        ruled it and slipped every one of the
        thirty one pieces of silver on offer straight into the
        pulsating slot of the great money pot whose identity
        entity sanctuary stealing machinery turned
        something so beautiful into just a bainality
        and scratched away the one thing that takes this
        race beyond the norm, the Dutch individuality..
        You’ve got to come out here where the smog
        doesn’t bite to witness it in actuality… It took a two hour
        lecture on how to peel my fruit
        and a silent breakfast in Apeldoorn watching two
        old masters match their crafts, twinned Pai Mei’s with
        a fetish for fruit, one catching the eye of
        the young un’s aspiring with blade slipping
        round and the residue spiralling,
        the others pocket knife all scapelesque and into it’s
        well practiced groove, clean precise cuts segmentising
        the whole and yielding perfect equilaterals of
        sumptious apple for all who cared to watch for me to
        see what I could never see while stitched to the machinery..
        For there was an intensity within that portacabin
        that belied the surrounding shrubbery and fauna, like
        the heat at the top of an old roman sauna, all eyes were
        tuned and all thoughts were locked and it mattered
        to those privileged to watch who won
        or lost, nobody spoke and so I shared
        the moment as it was instead of being
        on the outside looking in and for all accounts I
        made it a draw but as the Pai Mei on the left
        slipped back into his guise as the old
        guy from the boiler room and and placed all
        eight pieces of skin precisely and exactly
        on top of one and other I watched him smile and
        knew a winner when I saw one.. Paths had been chosen
        and lines had been drawn, the ritual had run it’s course
        and there was a victor to the hidden ceremony and
        I suppose the smile was only tempered by the fact that
        every pair of novice watching eyes including mine taking in
        the view was scheming, dreaming and perfecting
        his art, evolving new ways to amaze and display and
        make it their way not his way, my way not your way, everything
        evolves as the circle revolves and I bit my apple slowly
        entranced by the moment and nobody noticed… It’s good
        to be different, stands me in good stead out here where I don’t
        speak the language, a city boy all born and bred with revolution
        in his head, helps me see what always dipped beneath
        my radar, yeah there are others, all just as equally intent as we or
        you and me perfecting that which is their calling seeking
        equanimity, opportunity may knock loudest where humanity
        crowds closest but don’t let that fool you or rule you, it seems
        too much mainstream entering the bloodstream’s only ever gonna
        tether the individuality so that instead of evolving it’s DNA
        molding, decoding eroding our passage of rites, turning eyes
        from attention with leeching intention that’s blocking retention of
        every day sights.. And that can’t be right… I had my Isaac
        moment in the space of two apples and mellowed in it’s gravity, I
        felt the equanimity and drunk it’s pure equality and blessed the
        hand that brought me to this revery, epithany.. It added to my
        symphony as everything became just that lttle bit clearer, each
        individual gush more louder than the last so that
        now I can pierce through fog like a pick axe through
        butter no longer absorbed by the clutter in gutters.. My shutters
        were opened when irrelevant individuality suddenly became
        relevant and enriched my soul on it’s path of development and I’ll
        always be thankful for that..
        It opened up all avenues and roads and
        changed the view for
        this ex pat..

        From Rhino to cat

        or something

        like that.. ;)

        ©Skinned/COYS!!

  • PoshSpurs says:

    Saxophonist… was the word you were looking for.

    That’s quite alright. Gladly.

  • Ronnie Wolman says:

    A word about AVB and Harry Redknapp.

    A lot has been said about Harry and his good club positions over the past 2 or 3 years and no we have AVB who is changing a lot around.

    When you have a new system,and one as thoughtful as the one AVB is developing for us,the players have to think.
    Its much better if they went out and did instinctively what they can do. But in a new system that is more rigid to get to the instinctual phase they would have to internalize
    the system.That takes time. Right now they will be thinking what they have to do.It will be at the cost of their natural instincts.

    With Harry,the natural instincts seemed to be everything. Thats what made us great at times but at others lost in how toprocessd.That is why sometimnes we were great (we had the talent) and sometimes hopelessly inept(no structure to fall back on)

    So dont be surprised if we go through a tough period with AVB.
    Levy is committed.We should be committed.(Harry R definately should be committed :devil: )

    The problem is that we are dying for success and at the very least to go ahead of our rivals across the road.
    This will be important in the first season I think.

    But we should give AVB time. (To be honest I have a problem with that,instinctively I want us to win NOW!) but thinking wise I know what the situation is. Be patient.It will come.

    • Clarkspur says:

      Ronnie – our guys showed a really well disciplined understanding of the system against Newcastle though. You could see clear lines of marking, lots of communication and gesturing and we were only undone by a great finish and a stupid piece of defending. I still say we would have been 2 goals up before their goal if we had Adey up front.

      Anyhow, we showed a greater understanding of the proposed system in our first game than Chelski managed in their whole time under AVB.

      If it’s working then we have to hope we obtain AVBs transfer targets, otherwise we are missing parts of the puzzle.

  • Sid Trotter says:

    Last!

    Rafa should stay. there. settled.

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