We hear that Timothy Sherwood is being groomed for greatness, gawdelpus. We hear that Pleaty is returned to the fold. All of this would carry far less weight if our beloved Arry wasn’t a) being openly courted by the media for the England manager’s job and b) off to court shortly with a question mark over a custodial sentence hanging over his loaf.
This got me thinking about who ought be the next man for the job. I tend to develop narcolepsy when well meaning folk start shouting out ‘Mourinho!’ or ‘Ancelotti!’ like the have twisted strain of Tourettes Syndrome. Despite a significant groundswell of contempt aimed at Citizen Aitch, he has statistically his win % makes him the most successful manager in 35 years.
The debate for who ought to be the next England manager is dominated by the demand that the new man be English, yet the two big shouts for Arry’s successor aren’t even British. I bet they don’t even know how to play Pooh Sticks, by Jiggins.
I could have deliberately trimmed the sample managerial period to be examined for a number of reasons but opted for to run from the first man to manage in my period of support to today. So we start at Burkinshaw.
The statistics of Tottenham managers vary wildly from source to source. At the risk of losing the will to live constructing some class of mean average figure from all the numbers out there, again I took the easy route and simply used those in Uncle Norman’s The Managing Game.
Arry Redschapps 48.68
Glenda Hoddle 48.00
Matrin Jol 44.96
So why shouldn’t we appoint Hoddle? The negatives are obvious enough I guess. Eileen Drewery’s name will be in the mix. Glena’s passes routinely found their target, but the old boy seem to have increasingly lost his mind to the evangelical hokum of a Berkshire housewife. The mulleted one violently hit the button marked ‘Career Eject’ with his forehead when he announced that disabled people were paying the price for misdeeds in a previous life.
But he was head and shoulders above so many others. Admittedly some of those others were Ardilles and Santini, but the list includes Burkinshaw, Venables and Shreeve who all had win percentages over 40.
I feel that Glenda has grown up since his faith healing days. Not knowing the man personally I won’t try and kid you he is a born again human being: but my feeling is that he has certainly at the very least learned to keep his cuckoo religious views very separate to his public.
So that’s the case for Godlite Hod.
Redknapp. Statistically Tottenham’s most successful manager in 35 years? What exactly has he won? What exactly is success?
Lack of obdurate failure is a good start!
He’s won games, TMWNN old man.
Wigan have won games, but no trophies. Players want medals.
In terms of number of games won he is the most successful in that period. You can talk about players wanting medals, but to date, HR has so far been as successful as Billy Nick had been in in his first 30 months with the team. At that same period, both had won nothing.
Of course Billy Nick had the advantage of competing on a pretty level playing field when he took over. Gates of 65,000 were common, and our ground was almost as big as Villa and Manure. As a result, we were able to break the transfer record several times in his era.
Without any disrespect to either Billy Nick or Levy, I have to wonder how successful Nick would have been in the financial constraints of the current WHL set-up.
All things considered, his record at this length of his employment is equal to any manager we have ever had. The real time for comparisons will be when we have the new ground and the additional revenue generated from that will be like us being in the VCL every year.
Nicholson spent more years at Spurs than Rent-a-gob has been alive. As a player, and as a manger Nicholson was a winner. The two should never be mentioned in the same light.
What is amazing, to me anyway, is how anyone could have the audacity to actually compare the two in the same light.
My point was based on facts, your point is based on what might have been had this or that been different, or what might be in the future. Which isn’t really much of a point at all.
Your first point is pretty lame, so you come up with this instead. Amazing.
As they say, statistics can be made to prove
anythingprejudice.In Nicholson’s era, there were no super-duper teams, it was all about ability not finance. In Nicholson’s era you played less games as there wasn’t a LC or UEFA cup to contend with. In Nicholson’s era players did what they were told and earned a little above the average wage. I could go on, but because it’s patently obvious what the differences between now and 50 bloody years ago,as even the rules of the game have changed. But then again in Nicholson’s era, fans were far more supportive and got behind the side!
Maybe those fans also just imagined winning the two LCs and the UEFA Cup that didn’t exist under Nicholson as well, eh?
You really can be quite tedious in your hatred of HR. You come up the most spurious arguments, as soon as anyone says anything remotely favourable about HR, you cant wait to jump on them.
A point was quite rightly made about his win ratio being the best in 35 years, and you come up with your asinine comment about Wigan. Why not mention Accrington Fakin Stanley while you are at it.
It is not for a hate obsessed bigot like you to tell me who I can or can’t compare. Now I’m really going to piss you off. Are you aware that when you compare the time that HR has been here with that of Billy Nick, HR has won as many trophies as Nicholson did in the same period.
I am not a Harry fan, but my life is not so miserable, that I would not give him credit where it’s due. I can imagine when we qualify for the CL next year, how desperate you will be to piss on our party if HR is still around.
I should add that the difference between me and you, is that I wan’t HR to prove me wrong. You want him to prove you right.
I’ve no problem with your antipathy toward Mr Redknapp, I do get a little peeved, when you design a non-argument around them. You make ridiculous comparisons between 1960 and the present day, yet fail to take into consideration the obvious differences. if you actually knew your history, you’d also know that Blanchflower had far more influence over team affairs than Billy Nick or Eddie Baily did and that was acceptable because it’s a team game.You wish to pluck out the whole tree, roots and all, because of your personal dislike, whereas I’m suggesting that pruning and a little attention, no more would suit the club far better than a wholesale change, horse for courses. I’ve considered who we are, what we are and where we’re going, you just dislike Harry and that’s about it!
But in your eyes a LC or UEFA cup don’t count, so I didn’t count them. The only thing you can say Nicholson did was win the double and the semi final of the European cup, yet both those competitions are totally different nowadays, and in modern terms, given the level of finances required to compete, we’re in a fantastic position to make an impact, and you want to change that? Not only change but completely uproot and replant from top to bottom and you wonder why I think perhaps you’re a little on the crazy side?
I find myself very pissed off about this, so here is a stat attack:
Of the 31 managers we have had to date, only one has won a trophy in his first season. Four have won a trophy in their first three seasons. 23 never won anything.
Of the 17 trophies we have won, 8 were under Billy Nick, and three from Burkinshaw.
I would think that if you ask most fans that if they had to choice between winning both domestic cups in the same year, or playing in the CL, most would choose the latter. If that’s the case, then it has to be said that most reasonable people consider this better than winning these cups, even though there is no physical trophy to show for it. Given that, I have to say that has achieved trophy status with us.
Well if we measure success by your two bob link, overall, Frank Brettell is our most successful manager ever.
I would think that if you ask most fans that if they had to say who has been the most successful manager at Spurs, most would choose Bill Nicholson followed by Keith Berkinshaw.
That is all.
..and so the name calling commences. I haven’t told you what you can or can’t say at all. I asked what success was? I don’t believe Redknapp is more successful than Berkinshaw, let alone the great man himself.
Untwist your knickers.
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If I adopted your mentality, I’d have been calling for KB’s head after he managed to get us relegated or perhaps after spending a fortune on Ardiles and Villa and then watching us get thumped 7-0 at Liverpool, dumped out of the LC to 3rd div Swansea, losing 5-0 at home to Arsenal.. blah, blah, but as I said we’re supporters..Also what name calling are you referring to exactly?
You need to read your own post:
Nicholson spent more years at Spurs than Rent-a-gob has been alive. As a player, and as a manger Nicholson was a winner. The two should never be mentioned in the same light.
Than again, being such a bigot, why let the facts get in the way of your prejudices?
@TMWNN
http://www.myfootballfacts.com/TottenhamHotspurManagersRecords1898-2009.html
The criteria used on this is what percentage of points per game they have managed to convert. HR is well ahead of KB in that field. The only area where KB is ahead in percentage terms is cup games. Bearing in mind that in the past two seasons, HR has only fielded full strength teams in the CL cup.
If you look purely at League games KB earns 55 per season, and HR 67
Bukinshaw managed 9th, relegation, promotion, 11th, 14th 10th, 4th, 4th and 8th. HR 8-4-5 and currently 5th.
You asked earlier how do you measure success. I think the answr you were hoping for, was anyway you can as long as it shows HR in a bad light, hence the Wigan comment.
@essex.
I called him a bigot.
Fair enough Dub, I thought I’d unconsciously written something was thinking. The thing is, if the same argument arose back in Oct 08, I’d have agreed without any hesitation. I thought it was a bad appointment, fraught with disaster and one all about him and not about Spurs. My opinion on the latter hasn’t changed, but if he’s successful and my club are the beneficiaries of that success, I couldn’t give a toss and long may it continue. I’m actually equally impressed by the impact he’s made throughout the entire club from youth to senior level, and that’s something I’d never have thought likely or even possible
Yes: He surprised me too. He’s pissed me off many a time, especially with his freqeuntly contradictory rent-a-quotes, and I still can’t see any evidence that he has a plan b, but for all that, I only have to think about Gross, Graham and even Hoddle as managers to appreciate that things could have been a lot worse.
Watching recent games where we have rode our luck, I am reminded of many a game where we thrashed the opposition and still ended up losing 1-0. I am sure you know what I mean. Last year we had horrendous luck, and this year it is equalising, but as Napoleon said, “The first quality I look for in my Generals is luck”.
I doubt if he is the “real deal” and TMWNN might actually be right in portraying him as some form of idiot savant. All I can say to that is that since he joined us, I smile a lot more when thinking of my team
My great hero from the past is Napoleon, and his quote about ‘Lucky Generals’ always resonates; who am I to disagree!
Poyet for me.
Is it true Harry Redknapp has resigned yesterday over ill health?
If it was, you would have read it here by now.
Neil Warnock thats my choice.
Which is why it won’t go to a vote ?
Which is why he’ll be back in his padded cell by 12:00!!
I’ve got to say, one of the smartest things that DL ever did was to sign “oneday” on a performance related contract.
If we were to look at Maureen-O, he did a great job in Portugal with lesser resources. Bearing in mind the demands made by him about what he wants from his next club, I’d like to see DL make him a similar offer, of say 20% of all the prize money we get from the various comps. Last year, that would have earned him about €9mill, but if we were relegated, and got knocked out at the first attempts in the cup comps, and failed to qualify for Europe, he would get between €2-500k max.
And on that subject, I would be fully in favour of slashing players wages, and replacing them with fabulous bonuses. It still irks me that PSB was picking up £75k a week guaranteed even when he wasn’t good enough to get on the bench.