Good afternoon.
Since taking over at Queens Park Rangers the back pages have unleashed a cavalcade of potential transfer targets for stone faced supremo.
The Mail among others have suggested that Heurelho Gomes and Steven Peanut are in the mix. Let’s hope this is the case.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not exactly brimming with contempt for Gomes. If you’ll indulge me lapsing into pop psychologist mode, the guy is guilty of nothing more than being a man who is perceived as weak.
You’ve heard the line that ‘goalies are a different breed’? Well that is 100% true. And no more so in the manner in which they are perceived. A goalie makes a howler and no matter how many great saves he makes afterwards, in the subconcious of most people it’s all about simply waiting for him to revisit that state of fiasco.
But your striker. Ah, your striker… No matter how godawful he has been, all he has to do is hit a screamer, shin one in when it’s needed the most and the elevation from bum to born again folk hero takes anywhere between 1.3 and 3.3 seconds (depending upon alcohol consumption of the supporter).
With Peanut I’m equally unhurried to hurl abuse. His problem is that it isn’t his fault we insisted on buying him. The double negative is clue to the daftness of that situation.
Spurs fans seem pretty much split on him. Some see him as a potentially useful squad player. Some see him as being less useful than a marzipan ironing board cover. A few fun seekers are calling it a cheeky bit of business by Levy & Co. Mmmn.
The hope is that we flog them and that their fees can go towards a striker that works. Pav’s agent has recently said that he’s had 4 enquiries him. But these are worthless unless they come anywhere close to THFC’s valuation. One figure being bandied about was a bid of £7M. Utterly pointless in even reporting it. As per rumoured interest to deal on Andrey Arshavin at €8M by some interested parties. He cost twice that.
Defoe’s sale to Liverpool is fantasy. Arry had a gun put to his head as it was over 3MP. It’s only the fact that Adebayor is on a loan that’s keeping him in the Lilywhite as far as Levy & Co are concerned.
Spurs have very few options to realistically raise raise cold hard case this winter and it’s vital that if there’s a whiff of truth in people like Sparky being interested we vend asap.
The alternative is to save a few buttons by loaning them out ala Bentley and J****.
“Peanut was bought for peanuts and will go for a tidy profit.”
Are there really people who believe it is possible to buy a player at the end of his contract (or take on a free), play them rarely (or never) and then sell them for a profit? Sorry, it doesnt work that way. When you take a Pienaar for peanuts (or for free) at the end of his contract, the difference between what you pay for him, and what his agent percieves his actual value to be, goes straight to the player and his agent. Signing on fee, me old chinas. Even if we got the rumoured £6-7m for Pienaar that QPR would pay, I absolutely completely guarantee that we would have made a loss on the deal. Pienaar will have something in his contract that means he gets a share of any profit we make on him. Everton will have had something similar for the remainder of that profit. There’s plenty of books on Football Finance, I’d recommend reading one or two of them.
Sorry to shatter some dreams of perfect business models that some of you seem to have. By the way, would you like to buy some magic beans?
It never fails to amaze me the number of posters on football sites who don’t have a clue about football finance.
You reckon we gave Peanut more than £3m?
Bollocks.
£2m possibly.
Sell him for £5m and we still make a profit. Even if he’s on £5)k per week. Which he isn’t.
We took him off a skint club. During our CL period. He leapt at the chance of joining us. It hasn’t worked out. Move him on for the profit.
£50k per week.
It never fails to amaze me the number of posters on football sites who over the last few years or so seem to know more about football finance, and have more interest in it, than the football itself.
I’m fucking very seriously amazed,and all that game,you know what I mean,too many Jodrell’s
There is a word for these people: “Realists”.
“I absolutely completely guarantee that we would have made a loss on the deal.”
I think you are presuming and assuming a little too much.
We didn’t buy Peanut for any other reason than to make a profit.
If he gets a few games and comes good then great. But he hasn’t – has he.
We won’t make a loss – even ttaking into account his signing-on fee.
If you wish, I could teach you the meaning of the word “patronising”.
And that goes for you too, Spurredon…
When did you become privvy to all things “football finance”?
@Bruxie
My earlier comment was not directed at you in particular,, but since you raise the point “We didn’t buy Peanut for any other reason than to make a profit”, it does rather beg the question “And you know this because….”
Again, this is not directed at you, but the most ridiculous posts on here are usually those to do with finances. I recall one post where writer managed to to count turnover, and then added prize money, TV money and money from transfer fees, as if this was additional to the turnover.
Finally, I never claimed to be “become privvy to all things “football finance””. Putting words into my mouth does not add to your credibility.
No: Yet again you are trying to put words in my mouth.
My post appears quite clear to me: It is my contention that there is more ignorance shown on matters of football finance than anything else. The first post that you took exception too, stated this. The second post, which you are critiqueing, gave an example of just how ridiculous some peoples knowledge of finances are. The fact that it may have been written some time ago, is not relevant.
Where is the “reason” in your argument? You just jump in “feet first” even when you are unsure of your facts. You are the one that is making all the statements that you cant back up.
@Spurredon…
So you spend time on here answering posts from long ago that no-one else remembers?
Seriously, don’t agree with Paul F if you cannot take a reasoned argument in return.
And you do patronise.
It never fails to amaze me the number of posters on football sites who don’t have a clue about football finance.
QED
That’s exactly what I said. So let’s see? When I say it, you are inspired to a flaming war, but when you say it, you are the fount of all knowledge.
You have made the fools mistake of confusing your opinion with fact.
I’ll bet you are one of those people who can’t suffer fools. You must really hate yourself.
I was quoting you!
Read it and weep!
Eh?
Flaming war?
Fool’s mistake?
Common bloody knowledge. Peanut was bought for peanuts.
If, and I say IF, we sell him, we’ll make a profit.
Cannot suffer fools? Putting words in your mouth?Your surely out of Harry Enfield’s Self Righteous Brothers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScNvnWDwdo
You really are quite pathetic aren’t you.
So that you can understand just how pathetic you are , I will explain it to you:
You start a flame because I made a comment that was directed at one small part of Paul F’s post. I neither agreed or disagreed with anything else either of you wrote. However, such is your paranoia, that you assumed that I was supporting him against you.
You then start your attack, and even though I point out that I was not talking about you, you carry on with the lamest trick in the book: you try to put words in my mouth. Then you use the second lamest trick: to misrepresent my posts. It is quite clear why you employ such jaded tactics, because you really don’t have a leg to stand on.
Then you repeat my post, and add “QED”. When I point out that this is what I have said all along, you realise that yet again you have made a fool of yourself, so you backtrack and pretend that you were quoting me. Why? You weren’t quoting me, you were trying to be clever. Don’t. It doesn’t suit you and is beyond your abilities.
I would suggest to you, that if you are that precious about your opinion (and it is only opinion and not the facts you would have us believe it is), that it must be defended regardless of whether it is being attacked or not, then you should avoid internet forums.
You got the wrong end of the stick, but instead of having the good grace to apologise, or the good sense to let it pass once it has been explained to you, you continue to pursue your increasingly asinine point.
It’s far better that you should keep quiet and let people think you are a fool, than open your mouth and prove that you are.
“The Fool doth think he is Wise, but the Wise Man knows himself to be a Fool.”
The fact that you are more pre-occupied with my posts says it all.
You cannot understand irony – my re-quote of your words in previous posts.
I’ll repeat what I said originally…
“We ado need someone to buy someone to start the merry-go-round.
As they said on TV the other night…QPR are perceived as having money and we are upping the ante when it comes to value.
Peanut was bought for peanuts and will go for a tidy profit.
I’d like to see some swap deals involving Gomes, Bassong and Peanut.”
If you cannot come back without a diatribe of patonising rhetoric then that’s fair enough. You deflect any discussion on the subject by trying to take the high ground.
If you had a counter argument – you’d have made it already.
Resort to calling me fool, then. It obviously helps you along the road to that feeling of supremacy that you harbour.
Everton were over a barrel, so they may not have got sell-ons, particularly with our Dan across the table. However I do take your point- Levy got every penny back over Bent. The deal with Blunderland was that if Bent went for more than £16.5m when he left the Stadium of Shite, that the fee they paid went from £10m to the full £16.5m. Has Kenwright been that prudent?
How much do you want for those magic beans?
:whistle: a cow will do nicely thankee
If only I had been told stories about this sort of situation by my parents when I was a yoof which could have possibly helped me in my imminent decision as to whether to swap my cow which incidentally, is the only thing me and my poor old mother have left in order to survive this harsh winter and I did already have a deal at market for enough money to see us both through to the summer including a two week, all inclusive holiday in Dorset ….oh fuck it, you’ve got yourself a deal……buzzing!
I’ve only got a little garden and a huuuuuuuuge tree! Still when I get all the gold, I can have that penis extension they keep emailing about (how ever do they know?)
How refreshing it is to hear you talk about ‘little’ gardens, you may be cured my friend…. :daumen:
Oh no, I have that vision again :sick:
My comments aren’t appearing :-D
Well this one did.
I really hate the greed which makes us we hang on to dross. We have done it for years; why give them such long contracts? Much better to ship them out and develop what we have coming through a little earlier or invest in cheaper home grown players as we did with Davies and Etherington. They might not be world beaters but they came in and did a decent job from time to time, unlike Dos Santos for example.
If you give a young player a short contract and he bursts on the scene, like Bale or Lennon for example-he can effectively hold the club to ransom with his demands knowing he’s be in a position of strength within say 18 months-like Hoilet at Blackburn is right now-Rovers will never get his true worth-and they’ve done all the investing in his potential-does the name Campbell resonate?
I don’t understand your point about why we give players such long contracts? The reason for this is to secure a player for the long term on a fixed salary. Sometimes it works out brilliant as with Bale and Modric, and sometimes it’s a disaster with players like PSB.
The relevant point is that when they sign a player, they take a view on how long he is likely to remain useful. If the club has spent £15 mill on player, and they think he has five good years, they will want to keep him for that period, or they will have to spend a similar amount on his replacement.
If they turn out to be turkeys, we have to pay them, if they turn out to be diamonds, we have exclusive use of them for the length of contract and the possibility to sell on at a profit.
It’s the reverse argument Dub, I’d sooner gamble on my appointed managers nous than be subject to an agents demands.Of course there are occasions when it’ll bite you on the backside, but it’s proved beneficial more often than not. Modric, Bale, and a few other’s wouldn’t be with us now, would they?
Even the likes of Etherington and Davies, bought at 600k and sold for a combined 6m have put money in the bank and I can’t think of too many where we actually lost a great deal in comparison to those we profited from, I stand to be corrected, but we made a fortune out of our transfers in the past five years or so under ENIC.
I think your words are wasted on me: My reply was to 4Ever Hopeful.
At last…
Some sense!
And sometimes they take a player at the end of his contract with another club and “invest” in his services for a shorter period. And then move him on.
Peanut has had his pay out from us for running down his contract with Everton.
He’ll move on now – at a profit (dig) – to merely play football…secure in the knowledge that he’s made for life.
Its cos your yids mate lol all yids want more more more
Better off wanting more rather then settling for sh*t I suppose!!
I think Peanut is too useful a player to let slip away. He gives us added depth at LB, LM and CM, and is a solid defender in all three roles.
If we let him go and something happened to Benny and Bale, we would only have one natural left sided player on our roster. It was only couple seasons back when HH’s blog was filled with complaints about how we had no natural left sided players and how awful our attack was because of it.
My mother is better in all three roles. Sell Peanut, buy Jarvis, who can cover for both Bale and Lennon
Dos Santos and Bassong out. Just my opinion.
These guys are good (for QPR), just not compared to what we have/aimming for. Plus they have youth on their side so they could fetch a greater profit.
Pienaar And Kranjcar are proven players, it’s a shame that injury/lack of faith has kept them on the side lines so often because they’d be (proven to be) decent perm players who can break less classy opposition down.
The striker situation has been going on way way too long.
Will we ever get our man?
Please look up team and squad on wiki (if its not SOPA’d) squads win titles.