Good evening.
Tom Collomosse at the Evening Standard says we’re knee deep in negotiations for the Blackburn pairing of Samba and Hoilett.
Samba strikes me as worth a punt. If only on the basis that I like so many were so woefully wide of the mark on Pathe News Boy it might just as we sit nose-bleeding in the Barclays Premier League to give Arry the benefit of the doubt.
Samba is apparently a neat fit money wise my boy. It’s guessed he’s currently on about £55K pwk. Which immediately has me asking what in the name of Colonel Sanders are those clowns playing at up there? But that’s another blog for another blogger.
Hoilett is also named. But there have been ten articles a day for the last month saying that he’s going to be the subject of an imminent mega-bid for the last two months, maybe more.
His he yet another of these yoofstar players who half demonstrate that they can half kick a ball and are quite suddenly supposedly worth twice a king’s ransom? If we took this kid in I would expect the figure for him to reflect his worth now and not some La La Land vision of a future figure.
Elsewhere Alex McLeish has emphatically declared that Baron Dent is not for sale. Mind you he also referred to him as a ‘prolific marksman’. The tale has gathered momentum as the buck toothed negrito lover is on his ban and Andy Carroll is suffering from bad case of Cow’s Anus And Banjo Syndrome.
Here’s a suggestion. I predict that Arry is quoted saying he’s a top, top player within the next fortnight and we are linked with the donkey.
Tompkins is another name is being mumbled. I’m told that the player has the same agent as Fat Sam and this is the source for the rumour that a transfer request has been handed in.
David Gold of course has stepped in and started talking up the price with a load of twaddle about Tompkins being the son of Christ returned, a valued product of their acadamy system, that sort of thing. A bid of £2.5M from the Bar Codes was allegedly declined.
Oh and this is worth a listen HERE
Samba or Cahill?
No brainer; Samba is a mountain, Cahill over rated IMHfO
A mountain is right – a big lump with about the same speed on the turn. Did no one watch him make Crouch look unplayable last week?
there is more to him than that Gilz. I’ve watched him quite a lot and he has good positional sense and likes his craft.
Crouch is unplayable most of the time cos he aint got a feckin clue what he’s doing himself!!
No but I believe Samba would improve at a better club with better coaching.
If we can steal wet spams latest golden child Tompkins im sure all the dillusional pikeys may just jump into the river
buy him quick then,bunch of lemmings
Clearly we cannot wait until the last few hours of this window in the forlorn hope of a cut price last minute deal. It`s clear as day we need a striker to convert the many chances supplied. We need a CB again. Llorente & Vertonghen £35m is the title not worth that much to us ? Offset the cost with Pav £10m, Bassong £5m, Pienaar £4m, Corluka £4m. I fear we are dithering again !!!Just saying.
haha pav £10m.. are you here all week?
Pav will go to Ahnzi Mack as soon as we have a suitable replacement………….Yes £10m.
I’m not convinced that we do need a striker….we are scoring goals from all over the pitch and when we do bring one of our existing strikers on, they score goals and win games….isn’t that what they get paid for?
Scoreing goals from all over the pitch, 1-0 against WBA from 4yds out, 3 points yes but hardly the stuff of champions. You`ve been listening to HR so long you actually believe the s*it.
Raz, you’ve missed my point….Adebayor, although not scoring too many is apparently helping players from other areas (midfield and defence) to score goals (from all over the pitch)….however, when given their chance Defoe and Pav will and have, scored winning goals and will continue to do so….why bring in ANother who may take months to fit in and then turn out to be a Jaffa? Don’t you know were in a credit crunch?
And believe me….I do not listen to a word that comes out of Twitchy’s mouth, can’t stand the bloke…..as I may have mentioned once or twice before :ninja:
You miss the point Ade commands £170k per week our wage cap is under 100, he won`t be here next season, buy Llorente now to rotate, then he`s in place for CL or do you suggest we throw away this opportunity and dither until next August.
If we don`t buy now, wait until after Euro 2012 all strikers prices will be highly inflated, a striker we could buy now for £25m will therfore cost about £35m. The real buisness must be done now.
@Razspur @11.23
I think it will be some time before we see the sort of money that was being spent this time last year. Most of the teams that are capable of spending that money are now under FFPR. That is not to say that we wont see “megatransfers”, but we also wont see teams running up £100 mill + losses.
One possible consequence of this, is that I think agents will advise more players to “see out contracts”. A player is worth £15 mill, but is available on a free is in a position to say that as well as his wages, he wasn’t a £15 mill signing bonus. If that is paid to him over a period of five years, plus his wages of say £40k, he is now on £100k for the next five years.
What you say is poss but unlikely as Agents like to play the current system, sell now with large cut of t/f fee players % to agent, in a years time press leaks, tapping up, dissatisfaction, offers from a Top Top club, and so it goes on.
Absolutely…..no more panic buys! Adebayor is OK, but that is all, he looks good because the bloke he replaced was worse than awful.
If and it is a big if, we can find a proven, striker with a winning mentality to fit into our wage structure then snap him up….but most of them are still playing in the CL and won’t be free until the summer. Yes, let’s start sounding them out, but we must now be concentrating on what we have and where we want them to take us and not looking at Beckham’s and Pienaar’s and Adam’s like we did last January…
Llorente is not a panic buy, we should have bought him this time last year but dithered and suffered complete implosion as our “Strikers” missfired. We could and should have been 4th or better last season, with your scenario we`ll miss out again.
We would have been 4th if we had left Crouch on the bench last season! What guarantees do you have that Llorente will adapt to the PL? None…..hence panic buy….we should buy unproven players like him in the summer and I don’t mean at the end like Arry likes, I mean early doors and slowly bleed them in…which is what I can only assume we are still doing with Pav… :winke:
If we don`t get Llorente and he is still with A Bilbao, watch Spain this summer and see what we missed. When played with Torres he was Brilliant, at his club he is amazing. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Torres? Hmmmm £40 million….let’s buy the title, or just concentrate on winning the damn thing with what we’ve got like the good old days…and then go and buy our next Jimmy Greaves…Peace brother, I’m off to bed. :sleeping:
Think Torres cost Chelsea £50million and not the 40m you seem to think. Just saying.
Llorente looked “amazing” in the pre season friendly. Like Crouch but with a worse shot. :freu
In other words, no thanks.
That was an away pre-season friendly match, do you base your player ratings on such meaningless games? Try looking at current form or his goals on u-tube, great inthe air, holds up well, challenges well and very tidy footwork.
The trouble with watching a player on Youtube, is that unless he is a complete Plonker, most of what you will see are the “best bits”.
They play R Madrid on Sat 21st, evening KO make your own mind up.
Looks like the youtube point was made by someone else, so I will agree that it is not the best scouting tool.
A goal every two games? Amazing. Roman Pavlyuchenko has a better strike rate than him, I think you’d find.
But in essence you are suggesting we spunk countless millions on this guy, who is big, tall, an aerial threat, with good control for a big man. Crouch Mk. II.
Like I said, no thanks.
There are better prospects to be had, Damiao is one.
But more than that, a defender is No.1 priority from what I can see. If we can get the defender in and we can get a “top, top” striker in, then it’s a bonus. But Llorente is not neccessarily the answer to all our prayers in my opinion, whilst you consistently are banging your drum seemingly saying he is.
I think we can get CL with what strikers we have, and this is no time to be unsettling the forwards we have.
Llorente plays for A Bilbao, the service to strikers is poor at best, with Bale and Azza pinging them in he would thrive on it. Agreed we have other more pressing requirements at present but feel we will regret it if a W/C striker is not brought in.
you are a total idiot, glory hunter springs to mind
Those who don`t seek Glory for their club, can`t really be called supporters. As for total idiot, you see one every day……..see if you can work that out.
@Razspur re your 10.50 Assuming that the player doesn’t ask for a transfer, he is on 10% of Transfer fee. If the fee is £20 mill, this is £2 mill. Agent might get 25% + £500K
Player runs down contract, and gets a £20 mill signing on fee over five years: Agent gets £1 mill a year for five years + 25% of his basic wage.
Spurred, name me one instance of such a scenario, no player would be so foolish to agree to such terms and i believe they would be in contravention of UEFA and FIFA regulations.
And of course of the £20m signing on fee the Tax man (ask `Arry) takes 50%, blows a huge hole in your scenario.
I don’t see how they would be in contravention of Regs. Once the player is out of contract, he effectively owns his own registration. Any player can say “I want a £20 mill signing on fee spread over five years”. That was part of the prob with Judas. Because he let his contract expire, he was free to negotiate his own signing on fee salary etc.
There are risks too. You could pick up a serious injury just before your contact expires, and now you are worth nothing.
Regarding the tax man, he takes 50% in any case because these players are in that bracket. The agent is an “allowable expense”.
Clubs will not be held to ransom like this, it is reported that Bolton and Chelsea have agreed a £7m transfer fee for Cahill who has less than 6 months left on his current contract. He wants £100,000k per week and a £4m signing on fee, is it any wonder AVB says “There`s distance between us” Mercenary git, glad we gave up on him, and we offerred £13m in August.
Spurred with your scenario you say the Agent gets £1m per yr for the 5 years, he would actually get half of that and it would be subject to Higher Rate Tax at 50%….in the end only £250k PA.
I neither understand your logic or your maths.
If the options are to buy a player for £20 mill, or take a player out of contract that would have been worth £20 mill, the agent is going to recommend the highest bidder. Under your suggestion, a club might say, “Yes we are prepared to pay a £20 mill fee for you if we are going to buy you, but if we don’t have to buy you, we wont pay that sort of money”.
The agent will reply, “There are plenty of clubs out there who will pay the price”.
The tax is irrelevant. How do you know that the agent isn’t resident in Monaco, and therefore pays no tax. The issue is not what they are left with after tax, but what they have before tax. You might as well say, that Lucre only earns £20k per week. When they talk about players salaries, they are talking about “pre-tax”.
Even then, if the tax is 50%, that is still £500k after tax, and not £250K
I should add that the Cahill situation is not what I am talking about, because Cahill is still under contract.
The signing on fee of 20m is subject to Tax at 50% making payment to player £2m pa, it is effectively regarded as wages. Agents cut equals £2.5m over a 5 year period on which he pays 50% tax. I believe fees paid into an offshore bank account are taxed at source or regarded as subject to HMRC Regulations.
Have tried to make sense of FIFA Players` Agents Regulations Article 19 & 20 to clarify, it`s a legal minefield.
Yes, but the fee can be spread out over the length of the contract, and as you quite rightly point out it is classed as wages, thus the agent gets 25% of $mill per year.
The fee paid to the agent is not taxable against the players income and is an allowable expense. Thus even if the fee was taxed upfront, The players share of the fee is £15 mill, and the agent is responsible for any tax on his £5 mill. If the agent is domiciled in a tax-haven he may pay little or no tax.
Under HRMC regs 2010 if the player has claimed allowable expense then the Agents tax liability can be claimed back from the player. They have closed this loophole as in Tax Yr 09/10 £70.7m was spent on Agents fees on 803 transactions, HMRC SIU have almost completed that years Accs.
10/11 Tax Yr is expected to throw up approx £120m in Agents fees much of which is offshore.
The twats Trolling again, best ignore Raz
We definately need a striker but not until January..
It’s January now.
jeeze is that what the time is? fuck im late for work….
*winks*
Samba might not be nimble but you gotta go miles just to get around him
Hope Harry is working on a Pav plus Peanut deal with the barcodes for that Ding Dong Ba fella
If Ashley does sell us Ba he’ll probably be found hanging from the away end at SJP the following morning. In the short time he has been there Ba has become a legend.
indeed, Ba none!